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what's up everybody

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happy sunday football sunday that's what

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it is right

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for those of you who watch football i

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don't know if you do

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if you do then it's happy football

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sunday

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uh i've had uh quite a day today that's

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for sure um

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quite a weekend actually i had a

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computer breakdown my laptop just

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completely

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just went so i had to figure something

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out there and able to get a computer

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that i can use

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um

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you know just for general usage my music

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making and this show so but i finagled

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it i made something happen and i got a

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computer so that's good

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um that just puts me more in the black

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for this stuff

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but i am so happy that we are

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um doing this preview

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with some good pals uh we have jake

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christopher king quantum witch and uh

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benji unfortunately could make it

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um and

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vinnie disclosure team he'll be in after

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he's hanging out with alien girl right

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now on her channel so he'll pop in after

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that

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and we'll just hang out we'll talk you

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know we'll kind of get the uh the

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cobwebs out for for the big gig uh next

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week so

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i'm looking forward to that and i will

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[Laughter]

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yeah so uh thanks for hanging out that

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was my little promo vid i did for

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the event um so yeah i hope you enjoyed

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that um and

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you know i wanted to do something like

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uh like a wwe announcer

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for for today but i just didn't have

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time where every guest has a theme song

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and there's reverb and i introduce them

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and everybody gets pumped up

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but i'm just gonna have to do it normal

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so

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is priscilla

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is it still am i i haven't touched it

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yeah well you know you got some cobwebs

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in those cables

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you know but we'll we'll have to deal

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there's a spider in my favor

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oh really how did that happen i don't

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know you're that you're the sound guy

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cut it open

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maybe maybe get some raid on there or

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something i don't know hey jay how are

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you today

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i love having you guys here and vinnie

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it's been a while since we even had you

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on the channel so

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i am super excited to have you

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i love the little and uap secrecy on the

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mic stand there oh yeah that's really

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cute oh man it's very cute i have one

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i've been saving so i'm like i don't

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know what to do with it

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i've got i've got bling envy

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of the bling yeah is that a is that a

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thing

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apparently it is because i'm feeling it

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jungle behind you yeah that is awesome

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behind you there it's beautiful

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i'm jealous of that you're jealous of

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the sticker

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i'm i'm super happy um that you guys are

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joining to co-host i mean each and every

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one of you um we're missing a couple

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folks today but um i mean vinnie we've

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a great relationship we've been doing

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this together for a while swapping you

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know shows going on each other's

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talking behind the scenes about our

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struggles and our triumphs and

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everything um i feel like i've

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definitely uh bonded with you so i'm

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super happy that you can do this

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um as this is an important event in

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priscilla

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you know i was introduced to you because

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of vinnie and uh max and you're awesome

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and i'm glad you're taking part and

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you're hosting on mondays

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um although not this monday and you have

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cobwebs in your cables but all of them

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which i'm going to write a poem about

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cobwebs and your cable but

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can you make that theme song yeah but

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it's been just a pleasure getting to

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know you and developing that

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relationship and doing this with you

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and and jay um you know goes without

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saying you're hosting with me on

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wednesdays now

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to give me opportunity with the

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experiencer group on this channel and

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um i just hit it off with with all three

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you know i'm a part of the experiencer

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group now and i think what you're doing

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there is fantastic

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um and and so i'm really just the

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pleasure is all mine that you're that

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you're doing this too um and the other

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the other people don't get um

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compliments like that because they

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that's the thing man you got to punch

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the time card yeah that's important

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showing up is half the battle so exactly

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at least half the battle i'm just

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kidding yeah

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but you know benji has been awesome he's

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he's a super dude he's always been so

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positive and uplifting with with our

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shows and and retweeting them and

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and really being um what like an emcee

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for everybody you know the hype the hype

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just we're just um

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pushing buttons for fun right you know

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that's all yeah yes very much uh

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and others i won't mention but

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twitter right yeah that's it's a button

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and then signal i can't leave him out uh

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that guy is you know some some could say

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the reason why you know a few of us are

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even here doing what we're doing um is

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because of that guy he's amazing and

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so i'm just thrilled and honored that

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that he could do that too so

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what i wanted to do is actually kind of

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go around and we'll start um

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we'll go priscilla vinnie j uh what

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guests are you looking forward to the

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guest i'm trying to confirm on our show

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you can do both all right so what do you

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have coming up and who are you excited

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about on that i don't need to do that i

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need to do that because i'm still

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working on times but yeah um

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i'm excited about all of them and to be

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honest a little nervous because

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the probably the most high profile

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person i've talked to was diana

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and i lived in vegas i've met rock stars

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about celebrities but like

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this is different because i care so much

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about the subject and i really look up

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to these people so i'm actually just

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looking forward to everybody and what

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there's not one person that i'm like um

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more excited about i know that sounds

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horrible but i've never really it's safe

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so and and vinnie actually did one uh

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a fantastic job um thank you you know

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lassoing all those people uh together to

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get their points across and and be

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yeah that's cool uh what so who do you

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supposed to come on and then jay's

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coming on the first week and then i have

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uh next wednesday so it'll be

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her one-on-one um just like the two of

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us so that'll be really cool

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and yeah that's it for this year i guess

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and we'll carry on book club at the end

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that's for sure vinnie what do you got

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secrecy event i'm going to say the same

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as priscilla of course i'm looking

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forward to speaking to everyone and

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i let you know straight away that i'm

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going to be here for the there or there

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for the full eight hours because i don't

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unbelievable you know it's great it'd be

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ralph blumenthal but again danny silva

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my good friend christian thompson

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kirsten blackburn i've never met kirsten

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i'd love to speak to her i thought you

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know watching her on your channel and

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fantastic and i really can't wait to

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man everything you say just sounds

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way more impactful because of that sexy

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man this is ah man i got i didn't see it

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midwestern like hey i'm excited to talk

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to everybody you know you're just so

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beautiful something all right jay your

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i'm excited for everybody as well i mean

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i don't mean to parrot everything here

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but you know i i think it'll be cool to

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it will be great to see kirsten you know

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and i think that we're going to have

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maybe there might be a surprise guest

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there might be a couple surprise guests

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won't be but uh that would be pretty

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cool but um

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the air was kind of what precipitated

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the the debrief article coming out um on

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experiencers and so i'm really psyched

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to be able to speak with him again

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be cool to see her to see ross but i

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mean everybody everybody from beginning

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to end you know

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john danny you know the calling all

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beings crew you know everybody it's

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going to be awesome and of course my my

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experiencer group co-host co-founder

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kirsten blackburn uh she's a pleasure so

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and even just spending time with all of

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you that'll be fun yeah yeah you know

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right yeah i'm sad i can only do a hat

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like uh three hours but i have like a

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paranormal tour thing at that night so i

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gotta make it all the way out to waverly

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hill sanatorium and feed the kids and

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feed the husbands so i've got that

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that's the only reason i wouldn't be i'm

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not going to be there eight hours but uh

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i really want to be

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whoa you're doing waverly hills i am i

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live in that is intense

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yeah i'm a little nervous um

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like my uh yeah

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i don't wanna be like oh my goodness

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like yeah i'm nervous but i'm excited um

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it's a one like they fill up so fast i

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was lucky to get two tickets um oh my

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god just with like my empathic stuff and

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my mediumship uh we'll see what happens

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a lot of mediums that have gone into

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there have kind of like had some intense

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experiences but yeah i'm the kind of

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person like i can't be afraid of it i

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just have to do it because how am i

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telling other people it's the same thing

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with the experiencer stories like how

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can i tell people to share their stories

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or experience things when i'm being a

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chicken and keeping my mouth shut and

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not going to sanatoriums

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doing the field work is important

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yeah but waverly hills wow yeah i hope i

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hope you're a huge fan of hitchhiker

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phenomenon because uh no i'm i am going

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to be prepared for that trust me because

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i don't need to bring anybody home with

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me

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well from there anyways um but they seem

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to be pretty attached to waverly um

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just because of what they went through

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there but i will be carrying protection

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and i'm not talking about a gun

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i'll have my ghostbuster

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plasma thing

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yeah not calling anybody out but i

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always think that's funny when i see

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that stuff on skinwalker you know i'm

329
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like i'm like really you think that

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ar-15 is really going to do anything you

331
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know okay whatever you know

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people get attachments a lot they could

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be silver bullets for like the wolves

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and stuff you know yeah there's this one

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i'm not even going to talk about it it's

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like well it's a

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they call them the creeper and it's like

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a big shadow being

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that people see there so

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um i've only encountered as far as human

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spirits uh there was a pretty intense

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one i encountered at a plantation tour

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and my my partner wouldn't even go in

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there she was like i'm not even gonna go

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in there with him and i was like

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i'm gonna man up and go in and he was

347
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pretty intense

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so it can be

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it's kind of crazy um

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how real it feels when you're there you

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know

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practice shows before the 17th to make

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sure that you know nothing's

354
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gonna screw up tech you know anything's

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going to come back within screw their

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internet or we don't need a uh

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cobweb and a uh because if something

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something goes wrong that's going to be

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i'll be doing the show before that so oh

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okay okay good you know listen

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then i don't care whatever happens

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maybe i'll take an uh extraterrestrial

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with me and all the ghosts will be

364
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freaked out

365
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well um i'm gonna say yeah that um

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i look forward to only a couple of the

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guests

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no yeah i obviously look forward to all

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of them too um stephen bassett it's been

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a long time

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since he's

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been on the show too and well

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it hasn't been a long time for anyone

374
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because it's only been so long for me

375
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but it feels like a long time um

376
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he's great uh he wants he's so funny and

377
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and our rapport is awesome like he

378
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reminds me sometimes of like larry david

379
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from kirby enthusiasm like he's he's so

380
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funny but i love his take on everything

381
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as well and his insights um

382
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and it's at the perfect time so i can't

383
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wait to to get him uh on the show and

384
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then people i haven't talked with before

385
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like uh baptiste and everyone he's

386
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bringing um like the

387
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uh i believe it is a air force um

388
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colonel a slash witness um

389
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out of uh france so

390
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that's gonna be super interesting um

391
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other people i haven't had on the show

392
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like prime time um

393
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um we got uh

394
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what yeah she's been on the show

395
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christopher sharp it's been a while um

396
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and then we have at uap db mr kristin

397
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ross goldhart awesome it'll be his

398
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second time on the gig

399
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i guess i was excited about ross guys

400
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and i'm going to miss him yeah oh um

401
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you'll have to

402
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send my love to him yeah

403
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for my appreciation

404
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,079
i put him by himself pretty much in a

405
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group by himself because you know my

406
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goal is to just you know ask open-ended

407
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questions and just let him go yeah he's

408
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so great at that he's like a storyteller

409
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and he tells so much um

410
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you don't you i've seen him and every

411
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every time every time somebody

412
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interviews him i feel like he's just

413
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this force and he's just like saying all

414
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this stuff and everybody's just like

415
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because he's just he's done so much work

416
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and research and he knows how articulate

417
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:44,480
it so beautifully what did you did you

418
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guys have an opportunity to catch his um

419
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documentary that recently game came out

420
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:54,960
yes yeah what any thoughts on that

421
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,559
um for me personally i think it was good

422
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to see a little bit extra added on to

423
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,120
the westall school case from 66 with

424
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another witness in that um

425
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:05,360
i liked the way he did it it wasn't

426
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quite the same as the previous

427
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,280
documentary i think it just reiterated

428
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with me how serious the subject is

429
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,600
talked about outside of the us as well

430
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,039
and the fact that ross has got a lot of

431
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:17,200
high-level people coming to him

432
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:20,160
directly from the us from australia from

433
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within government military as well as

434
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:23,679
public you know

435
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:25,360
it's a global phenomenon and that's why

436
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we i guess doing what we're doing and i

437
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:28,720
love the fact that the conversation is

438
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starting to expand

439
00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:33,440
across the oceans and the distances

440
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and is it uh is it

441
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:38,240
didn't he get like a new witness on the

442
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record or something too from that red

443
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:42,400
from west all right yeah

444
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yeah

445
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,080
and he got another new witness who had a

446
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,160
more recent sighting it from the air

447
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,559
force i think it was a younger guy

448
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:52,960
um so yeah pretty cool and they're the

449
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:55,280
ones we only know about i bet he's

450
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holding back on a lot of other stuff as

451
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,240
well

452
00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:00,000
i think you need to work some magic sean

453
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:02,080
and try and get something new out of him

454
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:04,400
yeah yeah oh yeah

455
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,080
yeah i mean i i mean i i spoke to him

456
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gosh about a week ago and and he had

457
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,200
some

458
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,840
you know from what i heard he

459
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,760
you know he was pushed partially to do

460
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:17,840
this from his tv producers right from

461
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:20,480
his producers and it was kind of like a

462
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uh

463
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,840
in in effect to get ratings towards the

464
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,840
end of the year it was part of it and

465
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,520
and he was like totally open about he's

466
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,760
like yeah yeah yeah you know i i wanted

467
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,960
to put some

468
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,880
extra juice in there some extra material

469
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:35,280
in there but you know this is

470
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,039
this was a mandate

471
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,440
essentially like i was asked to do this

472
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:41,600
for my producers and i i think he's

473
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,679
absolutely fine with people saying for

474
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,679
with people reiterating that but i think

475
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,520
that that's that's a good thing you know

476
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:48,960
it's an amazing

477
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,440
situation for us to be in in this field

478
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:54,080
that that you know that it's

479
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,000
become such a popular topic now that

480
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,720
traditional news agencies are like

481
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,720
where's our next ufo story like where's

482
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:02,000
our next report

483
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,280
and it's like

484
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,360
it's it's it really is like christmas

485
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,120
coming early when situations like that

486
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,440
happen you know it is pretty amazing i

487
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,919
just i i just always marvel that my sons

488
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,760
are gonna grow up in a world where

489
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people are talking openly about the

490
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:17,679
phenomenon and it's just like

491
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it's

492
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even if i like disappear tomorrow i i

493
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would

494
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,159
i've seen so much happen just in this

495
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,320
past year with you know the way

496
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,000
disclosure has been happening and i

497
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:30,159
think that it's to me it's here already

498
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:31,039
um

499
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,799
so yeah i think that

500
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,640
that is amazing and some people want to

501
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,039
knock that oh well he's mainstream now

502
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,880
and all this stuff but that's not true i

503
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,720
think it's even if they're doing it for

504
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,559
ratings he's going to reach so many

505
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,240
people and that's what we want we want

506
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,240
more people to be open to this so they

507
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,360
can talk about their experiences

508
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,280
sorry about that i didn't mean to try to

509
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,880
throw you off i'm just messing with the

510
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,240
uh

511
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,240
like oh it's me

512
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,720
just like

513
00:21:03,029 --> 00:20:59,919
always

514
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,039
close-up that's the way it goes yeah

515
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,120
yeah well you know i'm just trying to

516
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,440
you know switch things around here i

517
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:09,120
still haven't been able to really figure

518
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:10,480
out like how

519
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,240
people do this like you know how they

520
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,000
they spotlight the person who's talking

521
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:18,240
or whatever and but they're not as easy

522
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:19,840
as it looks they switch it to the other

523
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:22,559
person like flawlessly and when i try to

524
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,400
do that it just winds up doing this so

525
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,200
[Laughter]

526
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,440
yeah i i mean ross does such a great job

527
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,600
and he's bringing like um even more

528
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,760
credibility to to the field right

529
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,679
because he is such a fantastic

530
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,520
investigative journalist

531
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,240
which he's developed such a resume

532
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,440
um before he even started diving into

533
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,080
this stuff so for him to really take the

534
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,480
risk and and take this on because he

535
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,480
truly feels a conviction that something

536
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,679
is up

537
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,720
uh man that says a lot for sure and you

538
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,600
know

539
00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:00,480
with so much going on in this uh topic

540
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,200
too

541
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:04,159
i mean i think we even forget about is

542
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:07,679
what i would call historic book you know

543
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,080
in plain sight oh it's so good fantastic

544
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:13,200
book one of the best um recorded

545
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:14,480
um

546
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,240
pieces on recorded uap history

547
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,640
that there is you know that incorporates

548
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,159
everything you know up to this point

549
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,799
with ttsa and all that kind of stuff so

550
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,559
absolutely i mean one one of the things

551
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,480
with that is that with having ralph on

552
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,960
there and having ross on there i mean

553
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,559
that's just a huge wealth a wealth of

554
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,600
information you know there was that

555
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:35,039
recent article

556
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,919
um

557
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,480
that uh came out through like bryce

558
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,080
sables medium or whatever that was

559
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:42,720
talking about how you know ufo you know

560
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,159
ufology bloggers are commonly scooping

561
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,120
traditional news news agencies yeah with

562
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:50,799
a lot of this information which i think

563
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,919
is entirely appropriate and accurate and

564
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,600
i i think one of the

565
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,600
i mean one line of questioning that we

566
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:59,600
should totally pursue that day

567
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,320
is

568
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,720
you know getting advice from people like

569
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,720
ross and ralph while they're on in terms

570
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,960
of being like like what do you think we

571
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,360
should like it'll be interesting

572
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,280
with chris christopher sharp on there

573
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,440
with ralph and and yourself sean with

574
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,440
your recent air force story you know

575
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,760
it's important it'll be important to

576
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:20,000
to be able to get um

577
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:20,880
some

578
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,000
on on this you know people like ralph

579
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,880
not just ufology but he he's pursued i

580
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,159
mean the guy

581
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,240
like in terms of his

582
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:34,480
confidence you know the amount that he's

583
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,840
dealt with mafia cases you know all

584
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,600
these situations he's not just like

585
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,600
taking on kind of like government

586
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,679
secrecy he's taking on

587
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,120
people that don't play by any rules

588
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,080
whatsoever and like he's he's still here

589
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,520
so um i i think uh i think it'll be

590
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,240
a a great font of wisdom for that day

591
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,799
for sure for for the rest of us i don't

592
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,440
think it's kind of full circle as well

593
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,200
like um see

594
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,200
you know it's hard to say that ufology i

595
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,320
guess but the new york times piece um is

596
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,120
the reason a lot of people are even here

597
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,279
paying attention that was such a

598
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,039
a huge

599
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,039
movement that started

600
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,440
um of just pure awareness for so many

601
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,000
people um and now we're we're at this

602
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,159
point where legislation was passed and

603
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:24,159
it's it's waiting to get signed

604
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,039
um

605
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,640
and

606
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,559
would that have even happened

607
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,799
without that piece being written i i

608
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,440
don't know i would say probably not

609
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,039
you know still be the same people

610
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:37,039
talking behind the scenes or on ufo

611
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,480
twitter which there's nothing wrong with

612
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,799
that but we have more of the world

613
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,799
listening now and that's what's going to

614
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,000
end stigma and that's what's going to

615
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,440
bring more people forward and when more

616
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,799
people come forward more evidence comes

617
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,549
100

618
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:52,159
i mean and

619
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,039
and

620
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,360
also you know

621
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,760
there even just in this last week uh

622
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,520
sean and i were talking on wednesday

623
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,840
with nick cook and nick cook

624
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:03,600
even credited you know he's been in the

625
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,960
field for a while he's all he was also a

626
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,559
very very

627
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,720
well situated defense journalist for

628
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,120
yeah uh close to 18 years with jane's

629
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,000
defense weekly and it was

630
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,400
ralph and leslie's story

631
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,760
on the on the cover of the new york

632
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,760
times that he credited on wednesday with

633
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,400
being what allowed him to feel like he

634
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,000
could start

635
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,159
publishing what he'd been privately

636
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,000
researching for quite a while

637
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,640
right like he'd already done plenty with

638
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,880
ingo swan he'd gone into consciousness

639
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,880
he'd gone into all sorts of things but

640
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,400
just on wednesday he said you know that

641
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,799
was it and so it's not just young people

642
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,400
that are inspired by this it's people

643
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,240
that are that are older than ourselves

644
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,799
that have really dug dug their heels in

645
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,120
and some of the stuff that that still

646
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:51,520
credit that piece which is amazing

647
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,400
really

648
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,440
yeah

649
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:55,840
i was just not too long ago putting kind

650
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,919
of a recap together of

651
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,919
uh that year

652
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,159
when things really started uh happening

653
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,520
with elizondo on cnn and and ralph uh

654
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,840
did an interview and leslie keane did an

655
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,600
interview

656
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,279
and it's

657
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,520
it's so interesting how we forget that

658
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,440
those happen you know

659
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,880
almost because

660
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,720
and that's why i did that ralph on his

661
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,200
interview flat out said

662
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,440
yeah i was told that they got

663
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,840
pieces of this uh craft

664
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,400
flat out you said it you know and

665
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,720
and the guy pretty much

666
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,720
you know you think if a journalist like

667
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,559
that who like busted the case on

668
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,039
pizzagate so many big things

669
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,279
says that on on

670
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,200
you know live news

671
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,880
a major news network

672
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,960
people's jaws would just like fall off

673
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,480
and hit the floor

674
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,039
um it so it's it's kind of interesting

675
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:50,559
how

676
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,760
challenging it is to even break open

677
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,159
this topic uh because of things like

678
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,919
stigma and people like ralph and you

679
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:01,360
know you guys too

680
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,840
um and ross are helping break that

681
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,720
so

682
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,480
that's all i got on there

683
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,880
oh absolutely i mean we're just we're

684
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,120
we're at a period where it's it's it's

685
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,880
almost easy to take things for granted

686
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,440
but we shouldn't right i mean even just

687
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,360
on friday we had

688
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,520
you know gary nolan and jacques villa's

689
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,760
scientific paper get published right by

690
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,240
like a really respected aerospace

691
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,559
scientific journal i mean

692
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,919
and and that had been something that

693
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,679
they'd been working on for

694
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,360
years you know

695
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:35,919
and i mean it's it feels like a damn

696
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,760
breaking in a lot of ways yes and i i'm

697
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,760
i'm just thrilled you know like can you

698
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:44,399
imagine like if we could just reanimate

699
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,230
you know like he's like i remember i

700
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,799
went after general sanford after that dc

701
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,799
debacle and i straight up told everybody

702
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:58,399
that they're actually

703
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,000
no one believed me yeah

704
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,840
think what's good as well is we saw the

705
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,600
nolan thing come out the other day yes

706
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,159
we knew that that was coming sometime

707
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:10,640
um but when pen the pentagon announced

708
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,760
ao imsg recently it felt like we'd hit a

709
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,559
blip briefly like why did they have to

710
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:18,480
come out with that now we were on a roll

711
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,919
we were all enough

712
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,760
so that happened but then with things

713
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,760
like the nolan thing and the way that

714
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:25,279
the

715
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,200
happen hopefully on tuesday you know

716
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,360
we're back on that upward

717
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,240
ramp let's say you know we had the blip

718
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,159
aoi msg

719
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,559
hopefully that's just now taking a back

720
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,559
seat so what we might have to look

721
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:44,559
forward to in the future with the the

722
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,240
gila brand rubio amendment actually

723
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,480
be coming to fruition so

724
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,080
yeah

725
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,080
supe super cool stuff

726
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:55,840
um

727
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,880
and and the galileo project i mean

728
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,440
yeah which brings me uh to reminding

729
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,600
sean about the super chats for friday

730
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,919
right um because obviously we don't need

731
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,480
money no ravi lobe

732
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,279
like uh i'm just playing around

733
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,840
oh boy i think that's amazing

734
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:15,600
remember well we could do a percentage

735
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,880
split if we have to no no no no no oh my

736
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,120
god i was just kidding i'm kidding i'm

737
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,149
we can always get a pizza later it's

738
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,320
fine yeah i don't know totally if you've

739
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,960
not figured out if we've not figured out

740
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,039
the the split with the money i

741
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,159
let me throw you apx in the hat because

742
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:38,000
for every everybody that is talking

743
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,440
about them controversially with these

744
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,360
ndas that they've got um with these

745
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:43,039
possible connections to a production

746
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:44,080
company

747
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,559
you apx have no money okay um so i you

748
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,159
know these public

749
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,720
entities like uapx galileo project that

750
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,520
we have to kind of i'm really positive i

751
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,679
look at them for answers and so i don't

752
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,200
have to just rely on waiting for the

753
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,440
government so for sure you know i'm i'm

754
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,520
all up for supporting people like that

755
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,760
so that's just me throwing them in in

756
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,600
the arena let's say

757
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:08,480
yeah

758
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:11,440
no i'm totally and i would have to say

759
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,440
that um i've interviewed um that guy

760
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:18,950
you know

761
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:20,840
avi and from

762
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,070
you know there's it's encouraging that

763
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,240
there's people in the in the you know

764
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,919
private sector i guess that are that are

765
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,159
doing things like this in an effort to

766
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,720
get get data that you know they can

767
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,240
share with the public so that we don't

768
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,320
have to rely on the government so much

769
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,640
and i think those kind of things are

770
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,960
probably what puts the pressure on the

771
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,200
government to maybe pass things like

772
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,919
that the chile brand amendment and be

773
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,679
transparent because how embarrassing

774
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,240
would that be if a civilian beat them to

775
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,960
the punch and i i bet that's the last

776
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,440
thing that they would want to happen so

777
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,480
well and if nothing else i mean with uh

778
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,640
you all know how much of a john mack fan

779
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,760
i am and

780
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,279
of course

781
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,360
right and heart and harvard really tried

782
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,519
to nail his ass to the wall like back in

783
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,000
the day and and so having the galileo

784
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:16,399
project housed at harvard there's like

785
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,440
such

786
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:19,120
beautiful

787
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,279
like irony to that

788
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,000
like that like if nothing else like the

789
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,840
galileo project needs to succeed

790
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,760
miraculously so that so that

791
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,919
institutions like that

792
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,679
recognize like well

793
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,600
you were right and we were wrong you

794
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,000
know along those lines i i think that

795
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,320
that there's such poetic justice to that

796
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,399
happening it's beautiful and more

797
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,159
universities have tried to have classes

798
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:44,399
like that before i left alaska one of my

799
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,919
anthropology teachers started a

800
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,640
astrobiology

801
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,480
um class and

802
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,399
nobody signed up for it and i signed up

803
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,120
for it but yep i moved so i couldn't do

804
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,960
it anymore because it was in person and

805
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,039
not online but people were like like the

806
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:01,039
teachers like her fellow you know

807
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,399
professors were making fun of her and

808
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,840
she's like no this is a thing because

809
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,679
she's um she does she's a scientific

810
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,600
anthropo anthropologist so she studies

811
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,480
um

812
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:10,559
she studies the science of smell so

813
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,230
so so yeah i was like i want to take it

814
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,760
because i feel like she would you know

815
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,880
um

816
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:22,159
she has a lot to put into it as a

817
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,080
molecular biologist so

818
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,399
i i just it's cool to see that more and

819
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,159
more people are going to be um doing

820
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,000
stuff like that

821
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,240
it's an option like you think one day

822
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,360
it's going to be um a focus for some

823
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,000
people in the future to study this

824
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,399
yeah and it already is right but doctor

825
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,200
yeah and yeah and anthropology is

826
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,799
actually acclimating to this rather

827
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,399
quickly there there are people like dr

828
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,440
jack hunter um who are really pioneering

829
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,080
the field of parent anthropology um so

830
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,320
they're actually they're looking back

831
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,080
there are a lot of people that are that

832
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,159
are taking new eyes and looking at old

833
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,480
cases because for for decades

834
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,559
anthropologists would go to indigenous

835
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:03,919
cultures and they would write down the

836
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,960
stories without a spirit with

837
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,960
and reserve judgment they would just you

838
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,960
know write down like what are this and

839
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,559
it wasn't about whether something was

840
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:15,039
true or not it was about recording kind

841
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,080
of like

842
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,640
received wisdom and the stories and the

843
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,360
culture right and so but the thing is is

844
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,880
that there are super noted

845
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:25,360
anthropologists that's that recorded

846
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,880
like really wild stuff happening as well

847
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,600
in the moment as well as those stories

848
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,080
and so there is kind of a new wave of of

849
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,679
anthropologists that are that are out

850
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,159
there um that you know are already

851
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,919
within the academic structure they've

852
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,080
already got their you know their their

853
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,440
high level doctorate and stuff like that

854
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,000
that are looking at old cases and so you

855
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,320
know because partially it comes from a

856
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,320
sociological framework like a noetic

857
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,559
studies framework and things like that

858
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,799
like they can approach these things

859
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,919
without

860
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,720
coming in it from from from

861
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,960
kind of the judgment angle or from like

862
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,440
the cartesian newtonian framework where

863
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,440
we need to have like repeatable proof we

864
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,880
need to have the experiments and stuff

865
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,320
like that they can just look at the

866
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,879
stories and try to push them back into

867
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,520
our into our mind as valet did and like

868
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,200
passport to mcgowan something like that

869
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,200
right which is just blows my mind that

870
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,879
people don't look back

871
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,119
enough like like way back to these

872
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,800
creation stories and some of the artwork

873
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,040
we see from ancient sumeria to until now

874
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,960
i mean it just blows my mind people

875
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,480
discredit that to

876
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:30,079
oh well you're just relating it yes

877
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,679
obviously to an extent but at the same

878
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,520
time it's the same story on different

879
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,440
parts of the world over and over again

880
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,679
experiencing these beings from the sky

881
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,520
you know it's just people don't want

882
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,679
that they want this science which i

883
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,119
think everybody has their role some

884
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,919
people need that to believe but at the

885
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,839
same time i think that there's a wealth

886
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,440
of knowledge in

887
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,440
like the you know the cultural stories

888
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,399
and art that people are they you know we

889
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,760
have the people that did acknowledge it

890
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,879
but i don't think enough people are

891
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,119
acknowledging it well i mean

892
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,280
for one i think ezekiel's will was

893
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:03,839
totally a stealth fighter jet

894
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,680
that we had developed and traveled back

895
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,280
in time and

896
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,920
went there to screw with jesus disciples

897
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,760
so i just want to raise a point here

898
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,200
sean because at the start of the show

899
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,119
you said that you said something about

900
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,520
me being quite well spoken look at what

901
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,200
jay and priscilla just said and how

902
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,599
eloquently they both said it because i

903
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,280
was just sat here going

904
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,240
wow yeah you know like that was awesome

905
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,160
so you know well we think that about you

906
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,640
all the time because we don't like i

907
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,079
don't talk to people with british i

908
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,640
guess i do now daily

909
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,960
i i see the american accent and the

910
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,440
subject is based over where you are i

911
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,400
feel like the intruder sometimes you

912
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:44,560
know like who am i to jump over the

913
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,870
well see the thing is if i keep giving

914
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,119
everybody credit then it's just uh you

915
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,160
know more well known how not intelligent

916
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,720
i am so

917
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,800
you know once once i said that about you

918
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,960
it was like hard stop i can't say that

919
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:06,870
he doesn't know he's smart

920
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,480
i'm not smart that's the thing i just

921
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,520
i don't know

922
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,440
we also have the time zone advantage

923
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,599
you're much further into your day

924
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:17,599
oh yeah

925
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,560
i can do this without feeling guilty

926
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,280
exactly and then and then here we are

927
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,400
you know five hours earlier in time

928
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,480
just able to take advantage of the

929
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,760
situation

930
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,160
that's great what uh what other

931
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,079
you know some you brought up the gary

932
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,560
nolan um

933
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,880
article about the

934
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:40,960
brain ginger brain injuries and

935
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,760
everything um who feels like taking the

936
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,480
liberty to maybe kind of explain that

937
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,720
article a little bit maybe set off a

938
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,480
little talk about it

939
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,160
i think that the part of the picot put

940
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,079
them in was super interesting because he

941
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,920
had mentioned and maybe the the

942
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,839
interview he did on youtube but also in

943
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,119
the article that

944
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,000
where those injuries are or that

945
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:04,400
degradation of the brain is seated is in

946
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,680
the middle of your brain it's not like

947
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,720
you got bopped in the head and it

948
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:09,200
happened alzheimer's would be

949
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,320
all over

950
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:13,200
so to me that is insane that it's only

951
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:15,119
in that part of the brain

952
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,000
and

953
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:18,240
he's got so many scans of people's

954
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:19,280
brains

955
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:20,560
that are

956
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,839
like that show that

957
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:26,320
agreed and there's also the part uh sean

958
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:27,760
did you want to say something before

959
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:30,960
well i was just gonna say so um those

960
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,960
scans those are were made

961
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,280
after uap encounters correct and they

962
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:38,880
were ones that

963
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,920
were not involved with havana syndrome

964
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,880
basically is that correct

965
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,040
well there were scans that were done

966
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,040
that showed kind of white matter that

967
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,400
would be consistent with havana syndrome

968
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,520
and

969
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:56,000
kind of like microwave energy that even

970
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,440
seemed like it was coming in from a

971
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,079
certain direction gotcha with certain

972
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,200
cases and then but then as as priscilla

973
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,359
was saying there's also the caudette

974
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,800
putamen um effect which which shows kind

975
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,079
of like a

976
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,560
a higher intensity

977
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,640
area than would be normal for a brain

978
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,960
scan among experiencers

979
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,160
and so uh from what i understand

980
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,359
nolan and kit green and others have

981
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,920
they're they're currently thinking about

982
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,839
like the a chicken and the egg problem

983
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,240
there where it's like do these people

984
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,640
have encounters because

985
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,720
you know are they picked out because

986
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,720
they have this this

987
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,079
this situation

988
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,400
and one one of the current theories

989
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,119
there or hypotheses rather is that you

990
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:45,760
know nolan and green company are saying

991
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,960
is this does the caudette putamen like

992
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,200
over excitement does that

993
00:38:56,190 --> 00:38:54,720
does that kind of remove a little bit of

994
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,200
of the

995
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,520
evolutionary blinders that most people

996
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,440
have with their vision and things like

997
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,000
that in terms of you know there's there

998
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,400
are people like don hoffman um that nick

999
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,160
cook was bringing up on wednesday there

1000
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,079
that they have you know there's this

1001
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,040
current idea that that that it's often

1002
00:39:17,550 --> 00:39:15,040
called like as don hoffman puts it the

1003
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,560
case against reality that we're

1004
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,280
evolutionarily

1005
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,320
um we're we're kind of blind to so much

1006
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,040
because we're only here to eat and have

1007
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:27,839
babies and anything that would spook us

1008
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,200
or get us outside of those rails has

1009
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,680
been kind of like siphoned off somehow

1010
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,760
you know over time yeah so that we're

1011
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,119
not just kind of seeing like ghost

1012
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:39,520
snakes or something like that you know

1013
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,950
i'm playing around but you know what i

1014
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,560
mean that there's some other there are

1015
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,160
other layers that we're just not privy

1016
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,000
to through our site through hearing and

1017
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,160
things like that right and and so you

1018
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,920
know i i think that that's a really

1019
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,920
interesting chicken in the egg problem

1020
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,599
that nolan and green are bringing up

1021
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,440
that's amazing you know well if it is

1022
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,359
like physiological and morphological and

1023
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,480
it's passed from generation to

1024
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,000
generation that ties in with a lot of

1025
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:07,119
people's um experiences even even if

1026
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,240
you're just a light in the sky

1027
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,119
experiencer it really ties into the

1028
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:13,520
generational experiences right because

1029
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,240
we often see like if somebody's having a

1030
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,440
ton of uh experiences or sightings of

1031
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,720
ufos

1032
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:22,640
it's likely that their family has had

1033
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,240
experiences like that and if that kind

1034
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,079
of put him in you know anomaly in the

1035
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:29,680
brain or you know the morphology like

1036
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,839
that is passed from generation

1037
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,440
generation

1038
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:34,560
that would

1039
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:39,040
experiencers that they're familiar you

1040
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:40,319
know what i mean like whole generations

1041
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,440
have seen

1042
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,400
um

1043
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,560
unquestionable things in the sky or in

1044
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:46,640
their room

1045
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:49,760
if i hear one more offagee or urology or

1046
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,200
whatever i'm just totally keeping myself

1047
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,920
out of this and you guys

1048
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,200
no but that's actually a good point that

1049
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,280
you brought up because um you know

1050
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,000
people often say that like experiences

1051
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,880
or even just uh sightings

1052
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,200
go down as a certain bloodline you know

1053
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,599
like my my father's seen one my brother

1054
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,359
is seeing something weird although you

1055
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,359
know he says he doesn't know what it is

1056
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,400
um i have um and

1057
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,319
on my father's side

1058
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,800
his uh grandfather

1059
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:23,280
was in portugal at the time of fatima

1060
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,880
you know and he was

1061
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,839
um

1062
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:27,599
a journalist for

1063
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,359
the number two largest um you know media

1064
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:33,040
outlet newspaper

1065
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:33,760
in

1066
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,560
portugal at the time so chances are is

1067
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,880
if he wasn't there he was he knew about

1068
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,960
it or whatever

1069
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,079
and

1070
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:44,880
so you know it's just all so very

1071
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:47,920
interesting you know how that could or

1072
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,200
or does uh work that's for sure a part

1073
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:53,680
of that nolan piece that got me thinking

1074
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,400
in a different direction with regards to

1075
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,160
what you've just been talking about is

1076
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,160
that some of these uap encounters that

1077
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,839
may have been

1078
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,599
some radiation effects causing

1079
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,040
biological

1080
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,359
uh reactions on people

1081
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,599
that's super interesting because that

1082
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,280
then gets me thinking

1083
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,920
are these accidental effects of just

1084
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,560
being in proximity to these objects or

1085
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,520
is there some other intent behind them

1086
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,680
now you see you see that direction is

1087
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,960
completely different to what we're

1088
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,200
talking about but that's what where one

1089
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,200
piece like that nolan thing can expand

1090
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,960
into so many different points of

1091
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,359
conversation you know sure and i spend a

1092
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,240
lot of time just sitting around going

1093
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,400
in all those directions first thing

1094
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,480
that's minor

1095
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:40,160
first thing that comes to mind there is

1096
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,240
if they are um you know if they have and

1097
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,920
when i say they i just mean you know

1098
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,240
non-human entities or whatever

1099
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,640
uh if they have um

1100
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,200
technology that's so much uh superior to

1101
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,119
what we have you know

1102
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,200
whether it's a hundred or a thousand you

1103
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,839
would have to think that that would come

1104
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,960
with some intention of of the cause

1105
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,480
right or they would

1106
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,960
be intelligent enough

1107
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,000
to

1108
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,000
know that that's

1109
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:11,520
you know happening

1110
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:15,119
and how to avoid it if they wanted to

1111
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,240
or

1112
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,839
you know i don't know if that gets into

1113
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,400
kind of a dicey situation but that's

1114
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,440
what i mean though this is the

1115
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:23,119
conversation that can go on and on in

1116
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,480
different directions you know it's the

1117
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,240
same as we walk down the street how many

1118
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,079
ants are we walking on we don't think

1119
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:29,839
about it and we probably don't care most

1120
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,800
of the time if we look down and tiptoed

1121
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:34,720
between we could probably stop standing

1122
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,680
on as many as for example so is it that

1123
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,520
different between them and us is there

1124
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:42,400
that divide that we're so small compared

1125
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,119
to

1126
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,119
what they are as an intelligence maybe

1127
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,280
not even small though just different

1128
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,839
like maybe the organism is just

1129
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,800
different physiologically and

1130
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,040
what doesn't harm them might harm us

1131
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,200
i think it was more intense you know um

1132
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,800
we'd probably see

1133
00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:00,000
we don't really know how much is

1134
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,200
happening though so i don't want to say

1135
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,680
we'd probably see more of it but um

1136
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,359
we don't know about the cases that are

1137
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,240
happening behind the scenes with pilots

1138
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:10,640
and you know um but i think that it

1139
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,359
could also just be not intentional but

1140
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,760
just is like they're just different

1141
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,920
these certain frequencies don't affect

1142
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,720
them

1143
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:19,440
and

1144
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,200
it affects us in a horrible way i think

1145
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,079
i think both of those seem like

1146
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,560
plausible and probable you know i mean

1147
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,720
on the one hand

1148
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,200
what what is the amount that would be

1149
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,640
acceptable loss in the scientific study

1150
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,880
for what vinnie's talking about right

1151
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,480
like if you have

1152
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,839
if you've

1153
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,000
you know taken a hundred thousand people

1154
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,920
up in your ship for some like basic

1155
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,079
medical i'm just saying i'm not saying

1156
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,119
it definitely but

1157
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,240
and then it's like okay you know

1158
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,480
uh kit green and gary nolan they they

1159
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,079
see certain numbers but what are the

1160
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,000
untold numbers that's all right so what

1161
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,319
does that mean is that one percent like

1162
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,640
uh casualties is that half of one

1163
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,880
percent casualty what is what is the

1164
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,280
idea what could be an acceptable loss in

1165
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,359
any kind of scientific study right and

1166
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,200
then at the same time for what priscilla

1167
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,119
is talking about you know there's i was

1168
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,440
talking to this canadian philosopher jf

1169
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:18,960
martel the other day and he was stuck

1170
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,920
and his one of his things is like

1171
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,520
we should really embrace the kind of

1172
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,640
like hp lovecraft idea where there are

1173
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,240
these interdimensional travelers and

1174
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,440
they don't give a flying f what we what

1175
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,839
what our deal is right they're just like

1176
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,079
these you know like we're just adjacent

1177
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,079
to them and it's just like that like the

1178
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,240
kind of ant hypothesis where it's just

1179
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,240
like yeah i don't know you know and like

1180
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,920
there's probably a bit of that as well

1181
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,000
you know depending on the the being or

1182
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,800
whatever i forget where i heard this um

1183
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,800
but i feel like i just heard it so maybe

1184
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,560
it was on your show vinnie i don't know

1185
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,200
but it's like if if uh if you know

1186
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,960
humans go to the and i've heard this

1187
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,200
said in different ways but if if you go

1188
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:01,359
and do a forest and you see a squirrel

1189
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,280
right you're not going to sit there and

1190
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,520
try to talk to the squirrel and say hey

1191
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,440
buddy you know how are you feeling am i

1192
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,359
hurting you and it gets to a certain

1193
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,119
point to where you're just like well you

1194
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,560
know i'm not getting anywhere so you

1195
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,800
just continue on with your business

1196
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,359
whatever it is and it could be something

1197
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,240
to that to that extent as well you know

1198
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,480
uh very much so robert cofort here

1199
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,240
brought up a great point too if it comes

1200
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,160
from outer space you know radiation

1201
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,400
coming with it is just you know it's

1202
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,720
something that's gonna be uh something

1203
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,560
that's gonna be yeah but would that be

1204
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:35,200
the metabolic i'm sorry yeah no no it's

1205
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,480
fine but would that be the case for

1206
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,520
something that's come through a

1207
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:38,880
dimensional

1208
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,550
electromagnetic

1209
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,000
reaction kind of thing like an

1210
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,440
unintended

1211
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,160
um you know emp or

1212
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,400
or something that comes with it you know

1213
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,119
as it comes in or not yeah i mean when

1214
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,040
my sightings seemed exactly like that

1215
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,280
the thing was in and out you know

1216
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,680
and not from this guy you know

1217
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,880
in and out of uh

1218
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,560
i guess dimension it just feels really

1219
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,720
weird saying that i guess it's not weird

1220
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,000
to say it we're gonna have to get used

1221
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,760
to saying weird things i'm already used

1222
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,160
to saying weird things um not like maybe

1223
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,599
at the dinner table with a bunch of

1224
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,400
other army wives but um you know

1225
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,880
um i learned my lesson that way

1226
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,640
but you know i think that we just gotta

1227
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,359
get used to speaking things that are a

1228
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,520
little bit weird because if we don't

1229
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,680
start doing it again it's like follow

1230
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,839
the leader like you have to set

1231
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,359
what do you want to hear do you want

1232
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,200
more people to talk about this

1233
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:37,280
we can't we can't be advocates for

1234
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,720
people being open without saying the

1235
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,480
weird things comfortably so talk about

1236
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,960
dimensions man talk about hp lovecraft

1237
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,200
creatures we just don't know so it's all

1238
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,119
right that's that's more so what i meant

1239
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,200
like dimension i

1240
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,280
i i don't even know what a dimension is

1241
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,480
let alone

1242
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,400
yeah i mean i kind of do but like to say

1243
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:56,079
it's in and out of it but it was you

1244
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,200
know it was

1245
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,280
it's like if i was i guess the best way

1246
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,440
i could explain it is if i was editing

1247
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:03,680
like um my own leg movie or something

1248
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,559
right

1249
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,359
and i have like a clip of me

1250
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,520
a scene of just me driving and you just

1251
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,599
see the ocean or the road or whatever

1252
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,640
and then i do uh a clip and overlay it

1253
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:16,559
with something you know like uh let's

1254
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,839
say a sun and i have the sun come in and

1255
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,640
overlay with that clip and i can edit it

1256
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:26,000
to fade in and i can edit it to fade out

1257
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,960
um

1258
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,280
and that's what it seems like you know

1259
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,760
it comes in comes out

1260
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,720
yeah

1261
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,559
i've got i've got an interesting point

1262
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:36,240
i'd like to bring to the table if you

1263
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,839
don't mind just switching up a tiny bit

1264
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,359
and this is something that i've

1265
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,640
wanted to speak to other people about

1266
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,400
for a little while now

1267
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,680
when

1268
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,119
i see a lot of comments across social

1269
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,880
media platforms going well the

1270
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,480
government know

1271
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,680
you know they've got these things they

1272
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,599
know why then they're just keeping it

1273
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,119
secret from it

1274
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,119
from us now my thought about that is

1275
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,520
that they might have something and they

1276
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,520
might know what it is it's a craft it's

1277
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,720
a body but do they know like what it is

1278
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,440
and where it came from like the answers

1279
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,520
or do they just have it and they haven't

1280
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,599
figured it out yet what do you see what

1281
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,880
i'm getting at it's like how much do

1282
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,640
they know about it

1283
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,119
and i i'm tending to think more and more

1284
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,680
that they don't know much about it they

1285
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:19,760
just know that they have it if if you

1286
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:26,069
yeah it's a great question i mean i for

1287
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,880
me

1288
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,559
um

1289
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,440
yesterday i was in a conversation

1290
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,520
i mean i was just listening because i

1291
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,680
was the junior person in here but i was

1292
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,960
i was listening to

1293
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,040
it was like a zoom and russell targ and

1294
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,359
jack sarfati were going back and forth

1295
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,800
right and

1296
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,240
i mean i'm not going to say anything

1297
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,079
about one of those two people but you

1298
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,680
know it's great yeah it's great to see

1299
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,079
russell tark um so and there are some

1300
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,680
other folks there there's an asteroid it

1301
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,000
was like a really amazing interesting

1302
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,520
group of people and

1303
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:58,160
and you know one of the things that that

1304
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,119
jack

1305
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,240
often goes goes to is like we don't know

1306
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,599
because

1307
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,079
nobody in dc knows physics

1308
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,319
and it's like well yeah people in dc

1309
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,079
don't need to know physics that's why

1310
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,760
battelle exists that's why lockheed

1311
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,280
martin exists that's why honeywell

1312
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,800
exists right yeah that's why the

1313
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,960
national labs exist and so

1314
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,400
you know there there are a lot of kind

1315
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,920
of like

1316
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:21,920
what i consider to be like pretty false

1317
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,800
arguments where it's like okay if you

1318
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,040
if you actually

1319
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,119
you know if you worked at sri or

1320
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,640
anything else like that and then you

1321
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,400
still make the argument that like well

1322
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,079
we can't know anything because people in

1323
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,160
dc don't know physics or something like

1324
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,720
that like you know i don't expect a

1325
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,400
politician to even know anything about

1326
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,960
basic economics like they like they

1327
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:45,280
might know about getting paid off they

1328
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,079
might know about you know lobbyists yeah

1329
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,680
or what their interests are but that

1330
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,359
doesn't mean that they know

1331
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,520
you know jack squad about anything but

1332
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:56,240
maybe law maybe you know

1333
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,200
and so

1334
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,960
it gets it gets into a really

1335
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,880
interesting

1336
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,480
weird point because maybe it's just

1337
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,839
sitting there but

1338
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,240
you know when you look at

1339
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,359
what some of these contractors and like

1340
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,720
i don't want to go too far down that

1341
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:13,359
road because like that's typically where

1342
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:14,319
you start

1343
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,839
um getting some heat from from from

1344
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,680
those corners right

1345
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,520
um but when you look at the kind of

1346
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,599
quantum computers these like really

1347
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,000
strange devices that some of these

1348
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,319
that that that some of them

1349
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,720
these defense contractors have and then

1350
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:32,960
you think like well

1351
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,359
it was that just did that just come from

1352
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,400
you or you know these crazy chandelier

1353
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,280
like quantum computers

1354
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,359
yeah i don't know man that doesn't that

1355
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,640
looks like it might have been something

1356
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,160
that was reverse engineered rather than

1357
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,839
the other way around i don't know i mean

1358
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,200
i'm not saying one way or the other but

1359
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,800
you know that plays to the point of the

1360
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,559
government not knowing and that if there

1361
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,319
are secrets out there they're being held

1362
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,400
within very small

1363
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,400
unacknowledged special access programs

1364
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,319
outside of the government and in some

1365
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,240
gray area between the black and the

1366
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,040
white world it's not as simple as it's

1367
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,160
just in patel or lockheed martin it's a

1368
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,960
small group that have infiltrated that

1369
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:11,920
group

1370
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:14,640
deep down and in some tiny little rabbit

1371
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:18,240
holes so yeah it's so difficult i would

1372
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,440
actually have a couple thoughts the

1373
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,599
first one would be on historical

1374
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,520
research and reading thousands and

1375
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,599
thousands of documents on

1376
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,680
how this stuff works and how they talk

1377
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,440
about it because that's important how do

1378
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,359
they talk about the sightings how do

1379
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,920
they talk about the saucer problem you

1380
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,160
know and a lot of the times

1381
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,079
most of the time the majority of the

1382
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,480
time is that they are confused these

1383
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,880
different air force generals and

1384
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,319
everything they don't know what it is

1385
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,240
and out of frustration they blame it on

1386
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,240
the people telling the stories

1387
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,040
you know um so i would i would think

1388
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,400
like um if that does exist it would be

1389
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,599
above them and probably you know it had

1390
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:58,800
to have been

1391
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,760
something set in place before those

1392
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,440
different generals arrive because think

1393
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,880
of how many different people would be

1394
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,800
involved and how much harder that secret

1395
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:08,079
would be

1396
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,640
to keep with all those different

1397
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,680
air force generals and cia directors and

1398
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,200
everything involved in this they would

1399
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,200
they would have to have something

1400
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,520
um stashed away you know almost

1401
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,280
immediately in a different corner the

1402
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,040
other thing i would think think about is

1403
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,280
the research and development aspects of

1404
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:28,960
cia or

1405
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,839
or the air force or or anything else

1406
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:33,599
they they all have

1407
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,559
um

1408
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,559
plans you know when they get something

1409
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,640
develop something to

1410
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,640
siphon it out to the private

1411
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,920
organizations in into you know

1412
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,920
corporations and companies

1413
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,190
you know unless a corporation was

1414
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,760
involved on it in it at the start like a

1415
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,720
project ran for instance um

1416
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,040
it would have to

1417
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,760
you know i don't know this is so tough

1418
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,680
it's so it is but you talk about like if

1419
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:05,920
the caa cia have these projects or

1420
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,640
whichever agency but it's not always the

1421
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,640
top members within the agency it might

1422
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,200
be a select few from mid-level maybe

1423
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,359
even sometimes low-level who have the

1424
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:17,200
need to know that are involved in a very

1425
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,400
small group

1426
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,720
working with defense contractors so we

1427
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,319
don't know where the secrets lie it's

1428
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,160
not just well it's the top of the ladder

1429
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,839
they're the ones that are keeping it's

1430
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,839
not because we know that generals and

1431
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,559
and all the big officials sometimes

1432
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:32,880
genuinely do not know what's going on

1433
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,200
below them completely because you know

1434
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:36,880
and that's where the confusion comes in

1435
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,280
as well yeah and whatever it is i would

1436
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,280
believe would have to have you know if

1437
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,079
it if you know it started like um the

1438
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:47,599
folklore says of 47 roswell or

1439
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,559
even

1440
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,040
48 with aztec

1441
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,599
there were definitely

1442
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,400
you know opportunities to have done

1443
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,480
something with it and keep it that way

1444
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,960
for for a long time you know

1445
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,160
um

1446
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,640
there was a lot happening around then as

1447
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,400
far as the cia

1448
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,720
coming to be uh the air force coming to

1449
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,799
be and breaking away from the army

1450
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,520
um the national security act of 1947

1451
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,040
there was so much

1452
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:17,920
happening in and around that time

1453
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,920
world war ii um that

1454
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,720
something could have easily been done at

1455
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,200
that time that would account for

1456
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,160
these decades and decades of you know

1457
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,760
not really knowing

1458
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:33,520
yeah i think that ties in exactly what

1459
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,880
we're doing this hashtag end uap secrecy

1460
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,200
the secrecy

1461
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,960
i had it in my head then i've almost

1462
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:43,040
lost my train of thought but

1463
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:44,480
it

1464
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,520
the old guard they die their secrets die

1465
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,280
with them or they have done for for

1466
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,960
decades you know they were very good at

1467
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,880
that and i'm not just talking about ufo

1468
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,880
uap we're talking about black projects

1469
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,000
and

1470
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,440
you know anything like that program

1471
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,440
secret programs but i think nowadays

1472
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:05,599
we're seeing this younger generation of

1473
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,720
government officials yamako rubio's your

1474
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,640
hine riches your gila brands and that

1475
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,040
they're not like the old guard and so

1476
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:15,200
this is why i have had to separate using

1477
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:18,319
the term the government we can't say it

1478
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,079
is the government that are hiding it

1479
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:22,160
from us that doesn't work anymore this

1480
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,680
huge umbrella

1481
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,559
uh

1482
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,880
word of the government it's so much more

1483
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,440
technical than that so i think that is a

1484
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,280
point that i try to

1485
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,680
separate as much as i can because it's

1486
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,760
so much more detailed and

1487
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,119
you know picky

1488
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,599
uh she makes a great point there uh mrs

1489
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:41,520
blackburn

1490
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,839
um

1491
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,799
because you know

1492
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,720
like a key to a lot of the historic

1493
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,319
research for me at least and how i've

1494
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,799
been able to find so much is acronyms

1495
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:53,520
and it's not by searching just one

1496
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:56,640
acronym in the archives or one acronym

1497
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:01,359
in cia it's by searching upwards of

1498
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,559
you know 50 200 different acronyms

1499
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:06,960
depending on the time frame

1500
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,839
um on individual different sites like i

1501
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,200
might find

1502
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,079
you know 11 27th group field activities

1503
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,400
i might find a couple things here and i

1504
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,160
might find a couple things there and i

1505
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:20,160
have to put them together to make it

1506
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:21,440
work or

1507
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,400
you know

1508
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:25,280
there's so many different changes from

1509
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,040
afcin to afnin to 4602d you know to then

1510
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,640
you have af

1511
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:34,079
and i n

1512
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,160
x and you have dash 1-2-3-4

1513
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,359
what are those different sub

1514
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:41,359
compartments you know there's so many of

1515
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,000
them

1516
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:43,839
um

1517
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,720
and that's that's how this works is

1518
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,960
by design you know yeah absolutely it's

1519
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,799
like inception it's like

1520
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,799
departments within departments within

1521
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:54,880
groups within groups that changed names

1522
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:57,520
over years and how did you keep track

1523
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,720
you just read my online i was just

1524
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,160
thinking that like how do they keep it

1525
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,760
organized

1526
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,760
do they even know anymore if it really

1527
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,760
started in roswell and if corso and all

1528
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,960
those people talking about the

1529
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,880
compartmentalization of these different

1530
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:10,960
things and compartments within the

1531
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,359
compartments then how are how is it

1532
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,119
possible to keep track of everything

1533
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,920
this far and i know like especially with

1534
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,160
paperwork being how it was when this all

1535
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,480
started supposedly right and people

1536
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:24,319
still lose track of things today and we

1537
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:25,119
have

1538
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,640
like pretty solid places to store

1539
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:28,640
information

1540
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,680
100

1541
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,000
and i i agree with all of you and and

1542
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,079
kirsten in the chat in terms of like the

1543
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:36,799
siloing and compartmentalization and

1544
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,040
you know not the left foot not knowing

1545
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,880
what the right foot's doing you know i

1546
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:44,079
think that i've i've i've heard of

1547
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:47,280
so many examples of that from from

1548
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,240
people i i worked with before and and in

1549
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,400
situations now confidentially within the

1550
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,400
experiencer group and whatnot and you

1551
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,799
know there was you know donald kehoe he

1552
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,559
had his first book flying saucers are

1553
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,720
real back in 1950 and that was kind of a

1554
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,359
big best seller and in 1953 he had a

1555
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,880
book called flying saucers from outer

1556
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,200
space right and his second book it

1557
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:09,839
really really went into detail and he

1558
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,480
was basically chronicling

1559
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,119
the the process of of

1560
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:17,440
of the air force and other government

1561
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,400
agencies

1562
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:20,480
shutting down and becoming more quiet

1563
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,760
about this stuff

1564
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:23,040
and you

1565
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,400
basically in reading the book it's a

1566
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,480
real page turner because you watch

1567
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,200
he basically chronicles like different

1568
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,200
different subsets shutting down and

1569
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,880
becoming quiet

1570
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:35,440
like over the process of like 1950 and

1571
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,799
to 52

1572
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:37,839
and

1573
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,480
you know to a large degree that it's

1574
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,319
only it's only grown

1575
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,960
more so the case uh since then you know

1576
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,839
until

1577
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:49,839
maybe now

1578
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,799
a kehoe book um like it's it's very

1579
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:53,920
interesting

1580
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,799
looking at um you know about behind the

1581
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,520
scenes records of these air force folks

1582
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,559
and i see folks talking about what a

1583
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:05,920
pain in the ass that book was for them

1584
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,240
you know like and how they're getting

1585
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,799
letters from um you know

1586
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:12,319
representatives

1587
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:13,280
uh

1588
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:16,799
nasty letters like quoting that book and

1589
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,000
using that book to demand answers

1590
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:22,880
um so yeah that that was

1591
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,079
um

1592
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,920
that was a big thing

1593
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,640
at that time for sure yeah it's great

1594
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,240
reading about it yeah

1595
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,160
yeah we're we're

1596
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,720
at the hour mark is there anything

1597
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:37,040
anyone wants to bring up or discuss

1598
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,240
before we

1599
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,000
save some of it for

1600
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,240
yeah i think this has just proven that

1601
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:44,799
it's gonna be an absolutely phenomenal

1602
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,400
conversation on the 17th this this

1603
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,880
i mean we talk so well together i love

1604
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,960
you guys so much that

1605
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,119
let's bring it let's absolutely bring it

1606
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:56,880
and do this man

1607
01:01:02,870 --> 01:00:59,920
i'm so hyped i'm so hyped yeah it's

1608
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:02,880
going to be great the hype train is

1609
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,950
um

1610
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,599
sorry go ahead no no you go ahead i was

1611
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,760
just gonna say anything anyone wants to

1612
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,280
you know promote maybe on their own

1613
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:17,040
channel or that they're up to before

1614
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,920
then

1615
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,079
i would like to give a shout out to our

1616
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,480
mutual friend james ian doley because

1617
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,119
starting today is contact weekly

1618
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:27,599
oh yeah james is amazing so i love that

1619
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,319
guy

1620
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,160
across multiple channels across youtube

1621
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,920
and other social media platforms we're

1622
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,680
going to start seeing a lot of focus on

1623
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:35,760
contact and i think that's always

1624
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,799
important to to highlight um so yeah i

1625
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,720
just had to get that in there

1626
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,319
it'll be cool to see everybody's take or

1627
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:44,160
their um how they

1628
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:45,760
how they view contact that'll be really

1629
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,440
cool to learn over the yeah sorry guys

1630
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,200
oh yeah

1631
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:53,280
i love james's work we all do and you

1632
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:54,640
know he's such a

1633
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,440
he does he's so kind of quietly

1634
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,440
understated in a lot of ways and kind of

1635
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,280
low-key in terms of how he presents

1636
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,920
himself and he just gets good work done

1637
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:05,119
you know

1638
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:10,720
from the consciousness side of things

1639
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,119
from the nuts and bolts like from and

1640
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,640
everywhere in between he does such a

1641
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,880
great job of being kind of graceful and

1642
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,640
low-key about the whole thing and just

1643
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,799
getting solid work done it's awesome

1644
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,119
yeah that's actually a great point and

1645
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:25,280
stays out of the drama

1646
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,960
yeah

1647
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:29,039
you'll never see him in a twitter fight

1648
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,400
or argument

1649
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:32,960
or anything he's just doing his thing uh

1650
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,160
with integrity and humility so yeah love

1651
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,559
the guy i plan on trying to do something

1652
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:40,400
for that on thursday

1653
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,359
i gotta

1654
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,359
i'm reaching out to a guest if they

1655
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:46,240
can't do something but i'm gonna do a

1656
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,920
kind of a music special in contact via

1657
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,039
music and

1658
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,599
um how i feel i've

1659
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:54,960
um

1660
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,319
a doctor uh dr sean espeon hargens a

1661
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,559
little bit about this about how you know

1662
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:04,480
it seems that i may have done some sort

1663
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,359
of co-creative dance with the phenomenon

1664
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,000
um after my major contact and

1665
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,400
and writing my you know album

1666
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,160
afterwards right away

1667
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,160
um so i'm going to talk about that and

1668
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,880
other music pieces um that you know

1669
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:20,799
we're inspired about that

1670
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,440
um so i look forward to that and that's

1671
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,280
gonna be my thing and of course i'll

1672
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,280
probably have some documents on twitter

1673
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:29,440
about past contact stuff you know they

1674
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:30,559
may be

1675
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:34,000
believable i don't know but i love the

1676
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,349
and you know this topic's getting hot

1677
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:41,680
when it's got a vintage department

1678
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,839
oh

1679
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:44,640
yeah

1680
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:45,680
that's right

1681
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:49,359
so but yeah and um

1682
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:50,720
monday i'm gonna be on prime time

1683
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:54,000
tuesday i got frank milburn wednesday uh

1684
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,760
jay and i are hosting

1685
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:56,880
um

1686
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,160
thursday maybe that and then friday's

1687
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,400
the big day

1688
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,920
it's gonna be awesome

1689
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,680
so looking forward to it it's gonna be

1690
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,079
great priscilla anything for you

1691
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,640
yeah i'm trying to see if he confirmed

1692
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:14,319
or not oh

1693
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:15,599
that's okay

1694
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:17,359
i don't want to say until

1695
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,160
now

1696
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:20,079
i'll post some questions i'll post about

1697
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,680
it i'll just jump it's not like somebody

1698
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:23,440
like big but um he's big in the

1699
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,920
community but not like ross calls heart

1700
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,520
or status

1701
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,920
i mean everybody's big yeah but you know

1702
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,760
what i mean like people like i like he

1703
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:33,440
does a lot he's a hard worker in the

1704
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,400
community

1705
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,720
so um i'm excited to have him on

1706
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:38,799
i think he confirmed

1707
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,200
i'll open it openly admit now i actually

1708
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:43,359
double booked for this tuesday with our

1709
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,039
good friend here

1710
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:47,359
here jay and melinda leslie i need to

1711
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,720
speak today about that so

1712
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:52,640
so i've got melinda leslie at the moment

1713
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,630
oh no he just oh oh my gosh we're

1714
01:05:02,309 --> 01:04:59,920
supposed to i think we're supposed to

1715
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,319
have like some kind of like thunder dome

1716
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,240
thing here now we're supposed to like

1717
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:06,000
have a fight to the death is that what

1718
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,760
is is that what he's trying to do or is

1719
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:09,839
he just vaping he's just off vaping and

1720
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,400
he's going to come back oh

1721
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,400
that tells me that it's a vaping i get

1722
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,920
it i get it

1723
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:18,240
ruth that is brutal

1724
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:21,039
right yeah no i understand it'll open

1725
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:22,880
yeah i thought you guys could do your

1726
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,280
business privately that's all yeah

1727
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:27,119
i'm glad you're gonna be with melinda

1728
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,119
she's she's she's great and she's a hard

1729
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,200
worker and she does she does like her i

1730
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,520
love her charts i love i love all the

1731
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,440
study that she's done into the invisible

1732
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:36,720
college and stuff like that she's

1733
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,240
amazing so i i forgive you i forgive you

1734
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:42,160
vinnie and i you know it's just one of

1735
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,599
those things where it's like you know i

1736
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,280
thought we were getting serious and

1737
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:47,760
apparently you can only hang out twice a

1738
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,799
week

1739
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,559
you know i'm looking for three times a

1740
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,480
week i thought you were serious but you

1741
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:54,240
know if you stop texting me then i'll

1742
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:02,630
i feel so bad and i literally i'll show

1743
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,670
so i think going forward it's going to

1744
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,520
get better and i won't be

1745
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,880
double booking

1746
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,480
but also i wanted to hide there's room

1747
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,400
for you on tuesday on this channel jay

1748
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:15,760
don't worry about it

1749
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:21,829
uh he did confirm guys i have dan warren

1750
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:24,480
coming on wednesday night

1751
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,000
i was like here didn't you know i had to

1752
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,079
reread the message before i said it so

1753
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:30,000
yeah um he sent me his selfie so i could

1754
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:37,829
can i get a picture of you to put on my

1755
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:38,640
thing

1756
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,599
since i'm sick of seeing my face on them

1757
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,359
but this wednesday as well i've got the

1758
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,440
instagram colleagues live stream so

1759
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,119
we've got 10 of us

1760
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,280
on one live stream yeah i'm doing that

1761
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:51,359
earlier in the day

1762
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:53,359
so i guess it could be

1763
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,640
yeah

1764
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,000
this is just going to be great it's just

1765
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,920
going to be a lot of the the colleagues

1766
01:07:00,870 --> 01:07:00,000
the family that we've grown in this past

1767
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:00,880
year

1768
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:02,319
so people that haven't even been on

1769
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,920
screen before but i thought you know

1770
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:05,760
what it's christmas let's all hang out

1771
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,799
live

1772
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:08,880
yeah so that conversation could go

1773
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:10,720
anywhere

1774
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,680
that's fantastic and then let me see

1775
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,400
what else obviously we got the 17th

1776
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,559
and then

1777
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,640
damn i don't like to tease i got a big

1778
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,319
announcement next week for a project

1779
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:23,920
that i'm working on and that's all i'm

1780
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,789
even i don't know so it must be black

1781
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:30,400
project

1782
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:33,119
i'm just kidding it's not any level

1783
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,109
i'll announce this i might announce it

1784
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:41,359
on the 17th in fact i'll announce it on

1785
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:42,799
the 17th

1786
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:43,760
hey

1787
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,950
now the hype train has left the station

1788
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,680
i know i'll say one thing

1789
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:53,599
when the project happens i'll be a lot

1790
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:57,760
closer to all three of you physically

1791
01:08:08,390 --> 01:07:59,680
that is super

1792
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,230
close to you close to me

1793
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,430
taking a trip i'm taking a trip sweet

1794
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,520
well you get it you got a teleportation

1795
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:19,199
machine we're getting him to admit more

1796
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,719
a little bit at a time all right let's

1797
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:22,319
keep him on and keep flashing his face

1798
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:27,749
looking forward to hearing about it on

1799
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,199
the 17th everybody be cool be sweet be

1800
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,199
in love um

1801
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,839
and i can't wait to

1802
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:37,679
check out what you guys are up to

1803
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:40,400
this week and i can't wait to see you on

1804
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,789
um

1805
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,440
oh you can finish it no no no no no no

1806
01:08:58,269 --> 01:08:51,839
no no okay i didn't mean to step on you

1807
01:09:28,639 --> 01:09:26,789
[Music]

1808
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:28,649
so